if christian god existed, would he be a cruel god?

@Sleepy_Gary said:
If god is all powerful, he could have created a universe where we grow without pain and suffering and needless death.

The one thing God cannot do is contradict himself. Trials and tribulations are a great way to grow. What makes you think that us - flawed humans - are entitled to suffer no inconveniences or trials? Also, assuming we have some semblance of free will - we will make mistakes. How much hand-holding from a "god" do you want, exactly?

Death isn't a bad thing if you're a Christian. Death means going to Heaven sooner.

Oh great, serial rapist christian priests can just "say a couple of sentences" and live an eternity of bliss, despite the evil they've done. Totally not cruel to banish an innocent child to an eternity of hell who won't say "a couple of sentences" that their rapist priests want them to say, and that same rapist well get to go to heaven because they drink the coolaid.

Repentance must be sincere.

No where ever would a child who doesn't know any better be banished to an eternity of hell. People who say that don't know what they're talking about. That's not even remotely Biblical. Sin increases with age.

Also, you don't even have to be a "Christian" - Paul in the New Testament states pretty clearly that if you do good, then you are doing good by God, even if you believe you're doing it in another name. Essentially, it doesn't matter what "god" you worship - if your heart is in the right place, then you are doing good for God.

@Sleepy_Gary said:
A few other things that can't be proven false along with Our Noodly Savior:

1. The other 10,000+ religions that exist.
2. Our brains are in jars, and everything we experience is an illusion.
3. Reality is a simulation.

But Christianity must be true

This is the difference between science and faith. Faith - by necessity and by Biblical definition - requires belief without scientific evidence. Faith is believing without seeing.

@thefrickouttaherelol said in #111:

Death isn't a bad thing if you're a Christian. Death means going to Heaven sooner.

So you're saying it's not a bad thing that 10,000 children starve per day? Sounds horribly cruel to me.

@thefrickouttaherelol said in #112:

This is the difference between science and faith. Faith - by necessity and by Biblical definition - requires belief without scientific evidence. Faith is believing without seeing.

Putting a fancy word to the definition of believing nonsense makes it okay to engage in a huge waste of time and human energy? Let alone the consequences of indoctrinating people into believing whatever you say without any proof required.

@thefrickouttaherelol said in #111:

The one thing God cannot do is contradict himself. Trials and tribulations are a great way to grow. What makes you think that us - flawed humans - are entitled to suffer no inconveniences or trials? Also, assuming we have some semblance of free will - we will make mistakes. How much hand-holding from a "god" do you want, exactly?

I'm not saying humans are entitled to no suffering or inconveniences - we didn't create the universe. What I am saying is that it's impossible to look at everything we know about the universe and conclude that if the christian god exists, they are kind or love us. Based on the structure of the universe as we KNOW and CAN PROVE it to be, this god would be horribly cruel or at best not love or give two shits about us.

So you're saying it's not a bad thing that 10,000 children starve per day? Sounds horribly cruel to me.

Yeah it does seem cruel. Do you want God to step in and fix every problem humanity runs into? Every time? Like a nanny who stops us from running into walls? Repeatedly?

Putting a fancy word to the definition of believing nonsense makes it okay to engage in a huge waste of time and human energy? Let alone the consequences of indoctrinating people into believing whatever you say without any proof required.

As a Christian myself, I have plenty of personal evidence for my faith. It's not baseless or useless indoctrination. And from a sociological perspective, it helps satisfy human need for purpose. Not selfish purpose, either. Greater purpose.

What I am saying is that it's impossible to look at everything we know about the universe and conclude that if the christian god exists, they are kind or love us. Based on the structure of the universe as we KNOW and CAN PROVE it to be, this god would be horribly cruel or at best not love or give two shits about us.

If you believe in the Christian God at all, then you should believe they love us, because Christianity says they love us. If you don't believe in that love, then you don't believe in the Christian God. You believe in some other "God".

@Sleepy_Gary said in #108:

1. The bible says you can atone for your sins, so rape and murder is A-Okay as long as you "say a couple of sentences."
2. If I light my child on fire because they say they don't love me, that's horribly cruel. Apparently there's nothing I can say that can convince you of that, so enjoy your life of questionable ethics.

1. even if u repent 4 ur sins God will still punish at the great white throne judgement you becuz sin is sin...
2. Lighting a child on fire is physical and not accepting Jesus is spiritual...
3. Not accepting God is a choice to live eternity away from God and in hell... it's a choice not a consenquence...
4. To conclude... I understand the concern you're expressing with this analogy. However it's important to remember that the consequences of rejecting God are spiritual, not physical... The Bible presents God as a loving and merciful Father who desires to offer salvation to all.... While sin has consequences, God's ultimate desire is for everyone to experience eternal life with Him...

Damn my post is insanely active. I never seen a post so active

I said right away that I wasn't going to talk about God. It is useless with believers, this is a special type of psyche that is not inclined to any analysis and logic. So it is useless to discuss anything with them. And, interestingly, as a rule, those who have not read either the Bible or the Gospel. Your reaction to my text is completely irrelevant, only confirms this. Keep fantasizing further. These fantasies have done a lot of evil over the centuries and continue to do so. Well, I can't help it. It is ridiculous to fight against natural phenomena.

Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes,
or he doesn't care to,
or he doesn't exist.

God is either impotent,evil, or imaginary.

Take your pick, and choose wisely.

This is not my words only

You know if you think God is Good consider the more you think your a sinner and need a mans help (for salvation) you are automatically Given a Green light by God.
Because God thinks guilt is a virtue.

By the way Echiman (a high ranking Nazi) the person who was in charge of killing Jews,Homosexuals and others before his execution asked for a Priest for repentance.
Apparently he was forgiven by God some God.
Sorry I don't read and write German.so sorry for misspelling his name