@ColorParrot said ^
ahh yes, the cows will go back to being alive, and don't say "by many people not eating meat, we make a difference and there will be no need for supply!!!" plants kill others, AND SO DO ANIMALS so post arguments vegan bums
I'm not even vegan and this argument still makes no sense ;p
@ColorParrot said [^](/forum/redirect/post/hTQ2nnJ2)
> ahh yes, the cows will go back to being alive, and don't say "by many people not eating meat, we make a difference and there will be no need for supply!!!" plants kill others, AND SO DO ANIMALS so post arguments vegan bums
I'm not even vegan and this argument still makes no sense ;p
the genocide doesnt happen anymore, and veganism is not a cult, but vegans rely on supplements or weird ways to get vitamins, and i havnt heard any good arguments. a good steak is pretty nice.
the genocide doesnt happen anymore, and veganism is not a cult, but vegans rely on supplements or weird ways to get vitamins, and i havnt heard any good arguments. a good steak is pretty nice.
@AveraWyvern said ^
ahh yes, the cows will go back to being alive, and don't say "by many people not eating meat, we make a difference and there will be no need for supply!!!" plants kill others, AND SO DO ANIMALS so post arguments vegan bums
I'm not even vegan and this argument still makes no sense ;p
people think that being vegan causes cows to live again. animals kill animals, and eat animals, so why not disrupt the ecosysten by turning everything into herbivores
@AveraWyvern said [^](/forum/redirect/post/rnclcH6G)
> > ahh yes, the cows will go back to being alive, and don't say "by many people not eating meat, we make a difference and there will be no need for supply!!!" plants kill others, AND SO DO ANIMALS so post arguments vegan bums
>
> I'm not even vegan and this argument still makes no sense ;p
people think that being vegan causes cows to live again. animals kill animals, and eat animals, so why not disrupt the ecosysten by turning everything into herbivores
@The_Merry_Chesster said ^
So, what is the argument for veganism, then. I would think there are some good ones, not killing animals does sound like a great start. Let's hear some more good ones.
- Reducing cruelty to animals. The conditions in which most commercial farm animals are kept nowadays are absolutely atrocious.
- It's better for the environment and more sustainable to eat plants. Producing plant-based foods generally uses less of our planet's resources and causes less greenhouse gas emissions.
@The_Merry_Chesster said [^](/forum/redirect/post/FALJBcvK)
> So, what is the argument for veganism, then. I would think there are some good ones, not killing animals does sound like a great start. Let's hear some more good ones.
- Reducing cruelty to animals. The conditions in which most commercial farm animals are kept nowadays are absolutely atrocious.
- It's better for the environment and more sustainable to eat plants. Producing plant-based foods generally uses less of our planet's resources and causes less greenhouse gas emissions.
@ColorParrot said ^
people think that being vegan causes cows to live again. animals kill animals, and eat animals, so why not disrupt the ecosysten by turning everything into herbivores
The food chain and someone choosing what to eat are two different things imo ;p
@ColorParrot said [^](/forum/redirect/post/pOgLNLCJ)
> people think that being vegan causes cows to live again. animals kill animals, and eat animals, so why not disrupt the ecosysten by turning everything into herbivores
The food chain and someone choosing what to eat are two different things imo ;p
if animals can eat animals, why cant we, the earth wont fall down. animals dont have atrocious deaths, while i am not sure about living conditions, and people say "a gallon of water feeds 55% more plants than animals" or something, but you eat for some flavor, not just to live. For greenhouse gases, there are FAR bigger sources than animals. We have been eating animals since Homo Sapiens and mabye even before, and if a guy said "oh we eat plants now", they wouldve died from malnutrition or starvation.
if animals can eat animals, why cant we, the earth wont fall down. animals dont have atrocious deaths, while i am not sure about living conditions, and people say "a gallon of water feeds 55% more plants than animals" or something, but you eat for some flavor, not just to live. For greenhouse gases, there are FAR bigger sources than animals. We have been eating animals since Homo Sapiens and mabye even before, and if a guy said "oh we eat plants now", they wouldve died from malnutrition or starvation.
@ColorParrot said ^
if animals can eat animals, why cant we, the earth wont fall down. animals dont have atrocious deaths, while i am not sure about living conditions, and people say "a gallon of water feeds 55% more plants than animals" or something, but you eat for some flavor, not just to live.
Animals eating other animals and humans choosing what to eat aren't the same argument imo ;p
@ColorParrot said [^](/forum/redirect/post/O6gNJ2Ss)
> if animals can eat animals, why cant we, the earth wont fall down. animals dont have atrocious deaths, while i am not sure about living conditions, and people say "a gallon of water feeds 55% more plants than animals" or something, but you eat for some flavor, not just to live.
Animals eating other animals and humans choosing what to eat aren't the same argument imo ;p
Honestly, it's a lot healthier. If you do it right that is. That means minimal to zero commercial fake animal products. You can use more natural substitutes like pure soy chunks, nut milk, nut cheese, etc.
Honestly, it's a lot healthier. If you do it right that is. That means minimal to zero commercial fake animal products. You can use more natural substitutes like pure soy chunks, nut milk, nut cheese, etc.
I know that veganism saves the animals. I do agree we need to save animals, but if we didn't eat our current barn animals and let them loose, would they over-populate the world? They could disrupt the food chain and destroy ecosystems. It might be best to continue keeping them in fences.
Now, we humans are cruel. Not only do we torture animals and we torture our own species throughout history. But our ancestors have survived on eating meat and plants - omnivores. You could say a tiger is a cruel creature for eating poor hogs and deer, you could also say a fox is evil for killing chickens and stealing eggs (baby chicks, you could say), but that is the circle of life, there's no point in arguing about it. Just like any monkeys, humans are omnivores. We are meant to eat everything, whether you like it or not. You can say you're vegan but your canine teeth won't fall out, you were suppose to be an omnivore. But time, religion, and emotions can stop it, to shape the way you are now, and that is enough, no arguing.
If all humans and apes were vegan from the beginning, the world would be very different from now. Would we still be intelligent creatures? Would we still come to this forum and ask questions? Or would we be just like buffalo in the Savanna, grazing away the grass...
I know that veganism saves the animals. I do agree we need to save animals, but if we didn't eat our current barn animals and let them loose, would they over-populate the world? They could disrupt the food chain and destroy ecosystems. It might be best to continue keeping them in fences.
Now, we humans are cruel. Not only do we torture animals and we torture our own species throughout history. But our ancestors have survived on eating meat and plants - omnivores. You could say a tiger is a cruel creature for eating poor hogs and deer, you could also say a fox is evil for killing chickens and stealing eggs (baby chicks, you could say), but that is the circle of life, there's no point in arguing about it. Just like any monkeys, humans are omnivores. We are meant to eat everything, whether you like it or not. You can say you're vegan but your canine teeth won't fall out, you were suppose to be an omnivore. But time, religion, and emotions can stop it, to shape the way you are now, and that is enough, no arguing.
If all humans and apes were vegan from the beginning, the world would be very different from now. Would we still be intelligent creatures? Would we still come to this forum and ask questions? Or would we be just like buffalo in the Savanna, grazing away the grass...
WE ARE IN THE CIRCLE OF LIFE
WE ARE IN THE CIRCLE OF LIFE